Hello to Stubbs researchers,

 

The question has come up on several occasions of whether there is a common ancestor between the Stubbs-Everett and Stubbs-Minor families.  

 

As you know,  G. Stubbs recently received his test results at 67 markers from FTDNA.  He also received his SNP results from Ethnoancestry that confirm his Stubbs-Everett ancestry is S21+ and therefore  is in haplogroup R1b1c9*.  My own SNP test shows S21+, so the Stubbs-Minor ancestry is also in haplogroup R1b1c9*.  

 

The S21 SNP which defines R1b1c9 is estimated to be several thousand years old, perhaps 7000-9000.   Everyone with the S21 mutation is therefore descended from the man who first carried this mutation 7000-9000 years ago.  R1b1c9 is thought to be of northern Germanic origin.  This is not a native Briton haplogroup, but its presence in Britain is thought to be most likely due to the Anglo-Saxon invasions of the 5th & 6th centuries, and also the later Danish Viking invasions of the late 8th century.  

 

The Frisian haplotype is a subset of the R1b1c9* haplogroup, so named because of its prominence in the northern coastal area of Frisia from which many of the Anglo-Saxon invaders originated.

 

The Stubbs-Minor and Stubbs-Everett haplotypes do not, in my opinion, bear a close match with the Frisian haplotype.  There is insufficient data to yet determine whether the Danish R1b1c9* haplotypes are significantly different from the Frisian modal value.

 

Genetic differences measurements, along with mutation rates for the the DYS markers are commonly used to estimate how closely persons are related.   These GD values and mutation rates have been incorporated into a YDNA utility program by Dean McGee.  Dean's Utililty program has been often used to estimate the Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) using the haplotype marker values.

http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html?mode=ftdna_mode

 

Below is a calculation of the TMRCA for the Stubbs-Minor and the Stubbs-Everett families using the McGee utility.

 

This calculation of the estimated Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) was done for G. Stubbs and Robert Stubbs, representing the Stubbs-Everett and Stubbs-Minor families respectively.   66 markers were used.  DYS425 was not used because of the null value in Robert Stubbs' result.

 

An estimated average time between generations of 25 years was used.   Lower values decrease the TMRCA; higher values of the time between generations result in a greater estimate of the TMRCA.

 The mutation rates used were those found by FTDNA as described by McGee.

 

 

 

The above table uses McGee's Y-Utility: Y-DNA Comparison Utility, FTDNA Mode

http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html?mode=ftdna_mode

 

 

As shown, the calculated probability is 50% that the TMRCA is no longer than 1150 years.

Intriguingly? this is close to the time period when Danish Vikings raided East Anglia and Yorkshire in the late 8^th century.    Does this mean that we have proof of a common ancestor 1150 years ago?   Unfortunately, no.  This is only an estimate; but it is certainly an interesting convergence of the DNA information with the time period when Danish invasions of East Anglia and Yorkshire occurred.   The place name Stubbe existed in Yorkshire before the Norman invasion of 1066.   This later became the village of Stubbs in West Riding of Yorkshire.  Similarly, the place name Stubbe occurs near the northeast coast of Jutland in Denmark where many of the Viking invaders originated.

 

This does not mean that Stubbs or Stubbe was used as a surname at the time of the Danish invasions or the later Norman invasion.   However, the occurrence of the later surname Stubbs in the area where the place name Stubbe/Stubbs is located is certainly consistent with the surname being adopted by persons, possibly having a common ancestry, whose family origins were at the Stubbe location.   Early use of the name "de Stubbe" (of Stubbe) as a surname as seen in many records  in the 13th and 14th centuries is consistent with the surname indicating an origin at a place named Stubbe.

 

Hopefully as additional DNA results are obtained, especially from Stubbs in Yorkshire and East Anglia, we will be in a better position to further evaluate this hypothesis.

 

Best regards to all,

Robert Stubbs